如果SGM 在2016 年 12 月开始辞去更多的干部, 您会如何回应？
What if SGM starts to terminate more leaders in December 2016? How will you react?
如果SGM 在2016 年 12 月开始辞去更多的干部, 您会如何回应？您会保持沉默吗？希望一切会一眨眼而过去吗？您会相信理事长所说的，这些即 将被辞去职位的人是在SGM里制造不和平的吗？然而在SGM里的高层干部也没有适当的处理SGM里正在发生的分裂。您会继续的不理会吗，如果您听到这些 SGM干部在背后批评这些干部？ 您会站起来停止这一切吗？
What if SGM starts to terminate more leaders in December 2016? How will you react? Are you going to just sit by, closing your eyes and hoping that it will soon pass? Are you going to believe GD that these people who are going to be sacked are creating disharmony in SGM, when the very same top leadership was unable to control the current split in the organization? Are you going to close your ears when you hear current SGM leaders bad mouthing these leaders who will be sacked? When will you say enough is enough? Will you stand up?
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October 11, 2016 at 1:29 pm
All these happened because of ONE individual, TKH. Why don’t GD sack TKH? Then, all these issues will be gone and settled already. Unless GD’s hair is also wet; unless TKH can exposed his and other leaders’ wrong doing. TKH hold them by their balls! In this case then, it’s pretty obvious that the top leaders are tainted. They should be sacked!
October 12, 2016 at 2:37 am
While I respect the views of ‘Upset 1980’, I strongly condemn the use of vulgarity in expressing such views. It is very unbecoming of a follower of Nichiren Daishonin and is totally uncalled for. Please keep vulgarity out of this column. Thank you.
October 12, 2016 at 7:40 pm
Thank you Phuah for pointing out. I apologise for my choice of words but I still stand by my statement. Unfortunately many leaders do not see this! I really like the graphic in this article, it described our situation so well.
November 14, 2016 at 5:04 pm
Not sure if we want to put this as a post, maybe better to put as a comment. NBA KL was established 4 Nov. Whatsapp messaging flying around with screenshots of the certificate. And today, SGM issued a memo to all leaders, outlining the individual name of the NBA KL committee. What we didn’t like was that SGM chose to label them as anti-Gakkai. Don’t forget that these people have put in so much effort and contribution into SGM, some spent their whole youth pouring their hearts for this Society. And yet, when they were dissatisfied with the top management, when dialogues that they tried to have failed because SGM had no answers, they have no choice but to leave the organisation. Does that automatically make them anti-Gakkai? Have they launched any attack on Gakkai? Not yet, right? How is leaving and forming another society made them anti-Gakkai? What’s happening!?
November 18, 2016 at 12:53 am
Sorry, but I seriously fail to see how by leaving SGM and forming NBA, these people can hope to effect any change in the top management of the SGM. How do you expect to be effective in fighting for the change from the outside rather than inside. Don’t you think this is a wrong strategy? By forming NBA, they have burnt their bridges in the sense that now that they are different entities, whatever happens in SGM should no longer be any of their concerns or am I wrong? Can someone enlighten me here please? See, I seriously do not understand what it is the NBA people are doing or what is their real objectives other than their so-called unhappiness with the top management of the SGM.
November 18, 2016 at 7:38 am
We agree with you @bcphuah on this. This post is about resigning as leaders and become a member (and continue to fight and voice out as members), not about leaving the organisation. We can’t voice out when we are leaders, being obligated to carry out our duties. But as members, the leaders are answerable to us.
November 19, 2016 at 2:32 am
@kosenrufu.info sorry to say, I totally disagree with u when you said that we can’t voice out when we are leaders, being obligated to carry out our duties. Why is this so? Why can’t we voice out any unhappiness at what we perceived to be wrong? What should be holding us back from speaking up when it is for the good of the organization? Unless we do not have the courage of our conviction and are afraid to offend any leaders more senior to us.
Over the years, I have engaged in one to one dialogues with all the GDs over what I see as the wrongs that are happening in the orgn. It is a thankless and laborious task and sometimes I feel that I am hitting my head against a wall. But over the years, many of the things that I have raised hv eventually even though very slowly been implemented. You see the top leaders also don’t want to lose face. Even though they may agree with you, they will not straight away implement what you suggest. But the thing is, eventually you will see things moving in the direction that u suggested and pointed out. Patience is the keyword here. So, brother. speak up whether you are a leader or a member. Don’t hold back if you love the organization more than your life itself as Toda Sensei said.
November 19, 2016 at 10:00 am
Hi @bcphuah, no need to apologize for disagreeing. We appreciate a different view point all the time. It’s the reason we have these comments turned on in Daylight. And thank you for your contribution and your past dialogue with SGM leaders to suggest changes. We hope there are more and more people like you to make SGM an even better organisation in the future.
November 19, 2016 at 10:21 am
As a leader , we do have certain obligations towards our members, fulfilling our responsibilities and duty to protect. Speaking out towards the leadership is fine although at times seemed to be a waste of time due to deaf ears. I believe , well in my assumption , the moderator of Daylight meant speaking out directly to the grassroots as sgm leaders might be unsuitable as we may be concern at how far members’ could take it. I’m certainly not undermining the intelligence of our beloved comrades but serious consideration has to be taken into account. I do agree with the moderator of Daylight in terms of duty to protect our beloved comrades while also acknowledge to a certain degree with BCPHUAH that we could still speak out towards top leaders while we have the chance (although I would like to add on – ‘speaking with caution’).
*BcPhuah – I always like to read your comments , getting to know your views in almost every posts. Keep it up. It’s healthy discussion that we’re seeing in Daylight.
Daylight is doing great in educating our comrades on Current Issue. And the method of conveying the message is appropriate. I also compliment the moderator of Daylight for practising ‘agree to disagree’ attitude , something that’s rare in SGM leadership nowadays.
November 20, 2016 at 2:05 am
Hi Rissho Jonin, thanks for your comments. I hv been a leader for many years and in all these years I hv always spoken up whenever it is necessary, irrespective of who the leader is but of course in a proper and respective but firm way. It is better to be blunt and direct rather than speaking behind the leaders back as this does not help solve anything. It takes courage and I hv never shirk from speaking up. To paraphrase a saying, `If you want to be strong, learn how to `fight’ alone.’ And believe in your conviction and not be swayed by any fear of people not happy or whatever. This is my philosophy in life. Be true to yourself and Gohonzon. Nothing else matters. Faith is strictly between you and Gohonzon and no one else.
November 20, 2016 at 8:20 am
I am sure a lot of courageous and sincere leaders have in the past spoken out for the good of the org about what need to be said & done towards organizational changes & leadership improvement and dealing with internal weaknesses etc. But how much changes happened after all these years?
Below are some of the questions I am struggling with:
Why has the organization been stagnant for the last TEN years?
Has anyone made a diagnosis?
What is the real problem and cause?
Have the top leaders and the experts of guidance who have been diligently and loudly been promoting the three mentor and disciples spirit and Soka Spirit too busy to notice why the org have been stagnant?
Is it because of evil Karma?
Is it because the whole memberships of SGM not chanted enough daimoku or carry out human revolution?
Frankly speaking, many should have realized that top leaders are becoming more arrogant and more authoritative.
In fact today, we can see the unprecedented and unimaginable behaviours and evils coming from the top leaders of SGM.
Many also can see some top leaders openly slander the Law and distort the Daishonin’s teaching in their speech and guidance speech.
What are the effective actions that daylight or the quiet revolution blog intent to take and suggest?
Or is this just another blogspot to release stresses and frustration hoping that time and more chanting will lead us to a solution.
These are just my thoughts. I am not making demand or making accusation here bit sincerely hope someone can enlighten my questions.
November 20, 2016 at 11:44 am
Thanks Joe. Very good questions you have there. And while we might not have concrete answers, we do have some thoughts in regards to your questions which we can put as a post in future.
As for whether these blogs are for releasing frustrations and stress, we can’t speak for quiet revo blog. Daylight’s purpose is to create awareness so that members/leaders are not trusting SGM blindly and can use their wisdom to make their own judgement after reading some of these facts or observations. And a website is here to stay for long term so that these wrong doings are not forgotten and buried by time, letting the wrong-doers repeat the same thing again and again.
Lastly, we hope Daylight is also a platform for members and leaders to discuss these affairs, such as what we are doing now. We are happy to note that so far, the discussions were pretty civil, thoughtful and opinionated. These discourse among Boddhisatvas will hopefully help open people’s eyes.
November 20, 2016 at 12:45 pm
Joe said “Frankly speaking, many should have realized that top leaders are becoming more arrogant and more authoritative.
In fact today, we can see the unprecedented and unimaginable behaviours and evils coming from the top leaders of SGM”
Sadly, there is a big majority of SGM leaders who do not believe that the top leaders are becoming more arrogant and more authoritative. They are so supportive of these leaders that they started to stand on their side and persecute those who think otherwise. I do not understand why people can turn a blind eye and believe in something so total. It is scary actually to see such extreme end in SGM, it’s almost like what the media in the West termed “extremist”. I would have thought there are more moderates, people keeping quiet and observing, as typical of Asian culture. But that is not the case in SGM. Perhaps these majority have not personally see it with their own eyes or perhaps they have not experienced the arrogance of these leaders. If you ever wonder why there are red shirts trying to go against yellow Bersih shirts, you don’t have to wonder. There are people like that inside SGM itself. I’d love to hear from one of these leader who support SGM top leaders to give us their views of why they stand on their side and persecute the ones that don’t see eye to eye with them.
November 20, 2016 at 7:14 pm
Reply to Joe
Quiet Revolution has very similar goal of kosen-rufu.info., I believe.
We also want to want to provide a platform for those who are not for or against SGM, as we believe there are many third, fourth, and various differences In opinion. They all matter.
We like to have these points recorded for our youth division members to learn from.
We do not aim to tear down SGM, but to create a stronger and better SGM.
We try to maintain constructive in our tone, that we point out what we see as not right, and what should be done.
As for our strategy, it is already laid out in the post Youth and the City of Florence.
No, we do not want to continue writing indefinitely. We will shut it down after a year or so, when we find that it has served its purpose or that it didn’t serve any purpose.
November 23, 2016 at 1:36 am
Joe made some interesting comments in his post and I would like to give my response for whatever it is worth. Joe wondered how much changes have happened after all these years and regretfully I agree with him that changes have been slow and hardly noticeable. One must bear in mind though that the members who voice out for changes constitute only a tiny percentage of the total membership. The majority prefers to remain silent and not rock the boat. Herein lies the problem and I believe we need to work on this and encourage not only leaders but members to take ownership and speak up without fear or favour for the good of the organization. Work on the members to speak up and offer constructive criticism and suggestions to improve the organization. Bear in mind, we deserve the organization we get.
Joe further questioned why the organization has been stagnant for the past TEN years which I think is a very conservative number of years. To me the organization has hardly grown over the past more than 30 years. I joined my local organization in1976 and the total households then were around 1,300. Today, 40 over years later, the total households are around 1,500. An increase of only 200 households in 40 years!! This is not only stagnation but regression at its abominable worst!! We have been running on the spot for the past 40 years!!
As to why this happens, there are obviously a host of reasons but chief of these I believe is a total disconnect between the so-called top leadership and the rest of the leaders at every level leading to a state where the total leadership is not moving as one but rather pulling in different directions. Frustration, fatigue, loss of a sense of commitment, loss of Gakkai spirit, factionalism, clique system, unbecoming behavior of some leaders, and the list is endless. Bottom line is the top SGM leaders are not responsive and not providing leadership when required. Over the years this has aggravated the situation until SGM is in a rut and is what it is today – an organization where only the top level leaders are active but the majority of the other leaders are leaders by name only and need to be prodded before they move. Sad, sad, sad state of affairs. If only the so-called top leaders will get off their high horses and put their ears to the ground and their shoulders to the wheels!!!
November 23, 2016 at 9:28 am
Re: organization have not grow; I wonder why we don’t have full-time great speaker, such as a pastor of a Church, who speaks really well and can motivate and encourage people in attendance. When we have good speakers, even members will want to bring other friends to listen. For the past few years, all the speaking responsibilities are put on the han and district leaders but they are han/district for a reason – their faith is just starting and many are not even strong in study. So we put the responsibilities of something so important on these levels and expect to encourage and draw more crowds? How many people these days attend discussion meeting and go back feeling encouraged and fulfilled? Or do they feel bored and empty?
Secondly, why do we insist to do discussion meetings on weekdays? Malaysia is a country of traffic jams and we end up having people skipping dinner or rushing into discussion meetings. And we also try to ends at 9pm. So if I am rushing and I see the clock that it is already 8.20pm, I’d think many people would have detoured for dinner, because they would know that by the time the reached the meeting place, they have maybe 30 minutes before the meeting will end. Why can’t we conduct discussion meetings on weekends? Don’t forget that parents with kids will usually not attend meeting because of needing to coach the kids school homework or bring them to tuitions and the next day is school day.
Again, learning from Christians, they have worship EVERY Sunday (4 times a month) and yet their believers came without much urging because 1) they enjoyed the sermon by the pastor, who is usually a good speaker and 2) they all know Sunday is sermon and have set aside the time and Sunday is usually a more relaxed day.
I don’t understand why we don’t learn from an organisation which has grown leaps and bounds and still kept to the old ways. Are we too old school? How do we expect to keep the youth engage if we are so old school thinking? Look, it’s a fact that we hardly EVER have any youth in our 4D discussion meetings. Have we reviewed and reflect on why this is the case?
Malaysia has only 20%-30% of the population that is non Muslim. Out of this 30%, we have so many religions trying to gain membership – strongest among them are Christians and Catholics. Even Buddhism has so many sects, the rising popular ones is Tzu-Chi. You mention Tzu-Chi to anyone you meet on the road and they know about this Buddhism organization, because of their fast-action in helping natural disaster victims and their charity activities. You mentioned SGM and no one knows what it is despite our cultural activities and performances during Merdeka. Have we reviewed why that is the case? We claimed that we are a modern religion, we are a world religion but many of our secular practices such as fundamental areas like discussion meetings and speakers, we are not able to modernise.
And then there is this crisis that now set us back another 15 years.
Some serious reform is needed if we expect this organization to grow. And if our top leaders does not know what to do, then they need to come to the ground and listen and observe. Or get help. Or observe how other people are doing. And looking at how memos are being written these days, I also think they needed a good PR department.